Are you playing chess or checkers? Thinking ahead is crucial and sometimes the moves you make now won’t pay off for years. You’ve gotta be ok with that.

We also talk a lot about relationships and not necessarily looking for a direct return on investment (ROI) from the people you meet and the actions you take. 

Listen in for some of our thought processes on how we’re always thinking 5,10, and 15 years down the road.