Our friend, psychotherapist Noel McDermott joins us for a chat. Some of it insightful and interesting, some of it making fun of Dan and Jim. Win/win.

The three talk about dark songs for kids, why sports day lasts so long, parents evening speed dating, using humour to talk about mental health, David Bowie's parenting style, the resurgence of the egg and spoon race, parents' race injuries and more!

Find out more about Noel's work: https://www.mentalhealthworks.net/