In this episode Dessie welcomes Janice Sommer - a model, podcast host, sustainability activist and sustainable business growth strategist. She founded and is the host of the podcast and blog "In Conscious Conversation" (https://www.inconsciousconversation.com/), as well as part of Model Mafia, an organization that fights for a fairer, safer, and more inclusive fashion industry. They talk about career switches, what is it to be a model activist, and how to take better everyday fashion choices.