In episode 28 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Tony Sager and Sean Atkinson are joined by Brian Ray, Director of the Center for Cybersecurity and Privacy Protection, and Leon and Gloria Professor of Law at the Cleveland-Marshall College of Law at Cleveland State University. Together, the three discuss the convergence of cybersecurity and public policy with an emphasis on the concept of 'reasonable' security measures affording a data breach safe harbor for businesses.