We talk to poet, novelist, sailor and storyteller Ian Stephen about one of his unfinished projects on today's episode as well as revisit a vintage interview with the poet and activist Mandy Haggith about her book on the paper industry, Paper Trails. Presented by Ryan Van Winkle @rvwable and produced by Colin Fraser @kailworm of Culture Laser Productions @culturelaser http://www.culturelaser.com