<p>The conversation goes off the rails quickly as Jacob and Father Gabriel go on a hike through the lore and legends behind everyone's favorite moralistic man-bear, Smokey. What does this have to do with art or spirituality? ONLY YOU CAN find out.</p>

Created Things - Nacho Libre

Created Things is a casual conversation on all things both creative and created, hosted by two guys who are both creative and created themselves: artist and psychotherapist Jacob Flores-Popcak (MA LPC - “Pretentious White Male”) and Father Gabriel Torretta (OP - “Real Catholic Priest”). Whether you’re an artist yourself or you’ve never held a crayon in your life, whether you’re super religious or you’ve never met a God you got along with, this podcast will have you busting out the paints and singing hallelujah.