Here is a conversation Dr. Johanna Hartelius, and Jason shared with Dr. Chad Kim of St. Louis University on his wonderful book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Way-Humility-Augustines-Preaching-Philosophy/dp/0813237394" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Way of Humility</a>.

Episode 433: The Wood Between the Worlds with Brian Zahnd

Crackers and Grape Juice began in the spring of 2016 with a conversation between Jason Micheli and Teer Hardy. In the years since, two shows have been added to the lineup, Strangely Warmed and (Her)Men*You*Tics, but the goal has remained the same: talking about faith without using stained-glass language.