If you haven't heard of Paul Jefferies aka Nineteen85, aka half of DVSN then we don't even know where you've been. Lucky for you, we've brought him right to your air-pods for an incredible discussion on his life as a music producer, how he diversified his portfolio and became a business man, the BLM movement and the real truth about owning your own masters in the music industry. 

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