In this pod, we break open the space between feelings and facts. We’re talking about the true purpose of our nation’s immigration program (it’s a whole lot more about purse strings than heartstrings), what to do about illegal immigration at the US border, how to hold on to our intellectual potential with foreign post-secondary students, and the imperative of climate-based human migration. And just because we’re suckers for punishment, we try to make sense of why conservative leaders keep talking about values tests. Please don't cancel us.

Plus, Jenn tries to get into the mind of Maxime Bernier. It doesn’t go well.