<p>Binder is back! On today's episode, producer Drew chats with CMA commissioner and docent Nancy Tolson about why she loves Black art, and Forward Together collector Patrick Diamond stops by to talk about the "magic carpet ride" of collecting it. Later, enjoy an excerpt from a conversation with art historian Dr. Frank Martin and acclaimed South Carolina artist Dr. Leo Twiggs.</p>
<p>Binder is a production of the Columbia Museum of Art.</p>

The Outside Looking In

Binder podcast is art for your ears. Binder uses art as a catalyst to talk about big ideas, bringing people together through complex conversations and personal stories to create the connections that lift our entire community. Hosted by CMA writer-in-residence Ray McManus and produced by the Columbia Museum of Art, Binder brings you audio storytelling with writers, artists, scholars, curators, and more. New episodes every month. Learn more about the museum, exhibitions, and programs at www.columbiamuseum.org

Production and editing by Drew Baron