<p>Rick Wilson is one of the most well-known Never Trump Conservatives in the country, through his many TV appearances and NY Times best-selling book, "Everything Trump Touches Dies". Rick and Roger discuss his new book "Running Against The Devil", which gives advice to Democrats on how to beat Trump. Rick gives his take on the Dems chances in key red states, evaluates the pluses and  minuses of the remaining Democratic Presidential candidates, and more.</p>

Episode 13 - David Weissman, former die-hard Trump supporter turned Democrat

Liberals are too clustered in major cities, mainly in blue states.  This is why Hillary Clinton can get 3 million more votes and still lose the election.  Progressives and liberals are not spread out enough across the country in large enough numbers to win more elections.

What can liberals and progressives do to turn more of the map blue? The short answer is…MOVE!

In this podcast, we talk to people in places that aren't blue. Sometimes it's liberals who are on the ground in deep red territory. Other times, it's people who don't agree with liberals. But always with the goal of answering these questions:

What will bring more liberal voters to red states?
How can liberals persuade voters who are already there?
The Clusterf*cked Podcast is an exploration of a new liberal movement…that must be literal!