In this episode Alex Griswold, a research associate at the Harvard University Center for the Environment, interviews Professor Jody Freeman, our founding director and also an independent director of ConocoPhillips. They talk about the Trump-era environmental rollbacks that are most troubling to Jody, and why she is still optimistic that we can do better. Full transcript of this episode available here: http://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/CleanLaw-40-Jody-Alex-rollbacks-and-optimism_.pdf