The British government appears to be taking a position of "robust pragmatism" towards China. Foreign Secretary James Cleverly says the UK should not "pull the shutters down". However, in Hong Kong, resentment lingers towards the UK over its response to the imposition by China of stringent national security laws, as Dr Mark Clifford, President of the Committee for Freedom in Hong Kong Foundation, explains in an interview with regular podcast host, Duncan Bartlett, Editor of Asian Affairs.