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We're all Builders now (Changelog Interviews #644)
1 hour 14 minutes Posted Jun 5, 2025 at 12:30 pm.
This week on The Changelog
Sponsor: Retool
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Microsoft has changed
Hostility toward Microsoft
Sponsor: Heroku
VS Code as a distrobution platform
Is developer tooling a lousy business?
Guard rails for AI
AI vs AI
Code modernization with AI
Autonomous agents
Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco
"Secret Agent" should be a thing
Orchestrating AI
Predictions for this time next year
VS Code vs Windsurf (VS Code forks)
Is Windsurf competition?
Software is not built in a chat
Wrapping up
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We’re on location at Microsoft Build 2025 with Amanda Silver, Corporate Vice President of Microsoft’s Developer Division. Amanda leads product, design, user research, and engineering systems for some of the tools you use every day. We discuss the latest AI announcements from Microsoft at Build 2025, how AI is reshaping development tools, what’s next for VS Code, TypeScript, GitHub’s evolution, and even emerging editors like Windsurf that are forking the VS Code ecosystem.

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