The Catholic Church has spent two thousand years fighting about who actually gets to be Pope — and this year, it's happening twice at once.The Society of St. Pius X, the traditionalist breakaway group that's been in schism with Rome since the 1980s, just got hit with a fresh round of excommunications. Meanwhile, US officials floated the idea of backing an antipope against Leo XIV after a very public spat with the Trump administration. Two crises, one institution, and a lot of history nobody in the mainstream coverage is bothering to explain.Katelyn and Christine are joined by historian Eleanor Janega (medievalist, author of the Going Medieval newsletter, and a returning favorite for anyone who wants their Church history with actual rigor) to walk through what schism and antipopes have historically meant, why the Vatican keeps splitting along the same fault lines, and what it says about power — inside the Church and out — when a government thinks it can just install its own Pope.In this episode:-What the Society of St. Pius X schism is actually about, and why "excommunication" doesn't mean what most coverage implies-The long, messy history of antipopes — and what it takes to actually pull one off-How the Pope Leo/Trump administration conflict fits (or doesn't) into that history-Why institutions that claim infallibility keep having legitimacy crises anywayJanega joins us to answer the same question we always ask: who gets to define legitimacy, who benefits when they do, and what happens when that consensus breaks.Links:-What Pope Leo Can Teach Liberals About Power - The Nation - https://www.thenation.com/article/society/society-sspx-excommunication-schism-leo-catholic/-Avignon Papacy Explained: What Reported US Threat to Pope and Vatican Means - Newsweek - https://www.newsweek.com/avignon-papacy-explained-what-reported-us-threat-to-pope-and-vatican-means-11803877Show Links:Merch Store: https://cancelmedaddy-shop.fourthwall.com/ CMD Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cancelmedaddy CMD TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cancelmedaddypod CMD Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cancelme_daddy/ CMD BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/cancelmedaddy.bsky.social Linktree: https://linktr.ee/CancelMe_DaddySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.