In episode 4 of swords and mental health Fran speaks to regular guest Janna Datahan and also Kirsten Meredith, both members of True Edge Academy in Utah, USA. We discuss the topic of resilience versus persistence in the context of mental health. The episode was recorded 6 September 2021.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bythesword/message