In this episode, Lindsay Gibbs speaks with Julie Kliegman, Chief Copy Editor at Sports Illustrated, about trans athletes in the NCAA. They discuss University of Pennsylvania swimmer Lia Thomas and the NCAA's new policies limiting the ability of transgender athletes to compete.

This episode was produced by Tressa Versteeg. Shelby Weldon is our social media and website specialist. Burn It All Down is part of the Blue Wire podcast network.

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