“With any decision that you make, you need to be clear on what you’re getting out of it, and it’s not always going to be financial.”

Ivan Villa is  a Product Manager at Clickup. This episode features Ivan's journey as he takes us through his band days & photography hustle to eventually becoming a business owner. If anyone needs extra motivation to pursue their dreams, listen to this episode to learn: you don't need a traditional design education to work in this industry. 

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Producer: Milo Cho

Interviewer: Noelle Szombathy

Music: Sam Shapiro ( @pupilhands)

Recorded in Sacramento, CA by Sac DESCO