"pandemics are not accidents... things that just happen, forces outside humanity... pandemics are something that we actually make." And so begins my discussion with Wendy Orent, author of Plague: The Mysterious Past and Terrifying Future of the World's Most Dangerous Disease and a well-known science writer with a focus on pandemics, biological weapons, and the evolution of infectious diseases. Wendy explains the history of pandemics, and the most recent COVID experience so that we can all understand it. And then tells us how we can prevent the next one in an equally understandable fashion.