A sagacious Blind Shovel, this one with folk musician John Dull. We discuss the intersection of athletics and art, Dull Music, fatherhood, Pete Seeger, and much more.<a href="https://dullmusic.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dull Music's Website</a>Header image: Dull Music Logo, 1970s

Jon Chao - Less Wind & The Spiritual Stool

Blind Shovel is an arts and music podcast hosted by illustrator and designer Michael Olivo. The show is focused on interviewing emerging and established creators about their inspirations, process, and maturation. Released every other Tuesday night at 8pm EST...ideally.