We know that Mac users love their Macs, and those of us who use the screen reader function called VoiceOver also love our Macs. But even the most hardest of fan folk can admit that it isn't perfect. And that's why we've been having this continuous debate and discussion on the state of the Mac from our points of view and welcoming a wide range of views. There really is no right or wrong in this discussion, but it is good to air our frustrations where they may exist. Listener Zachary got in touch with a lengthy response regarding our previous debates on this topic and this sparks a whole new discussion on today's episode with Blind Guys Steven Scott, Shaun Preece and Robin Christopherson. Keep your comments coming by emailing [email protected] or call 0204 571 3354.