We continue our talk with entrepreneur Natalie Chan as she shares her journey establishing OWN Academy and the challenges she has faced confronting rigid structures and mindsets. Her successes as well as her setbacks will be an inspiration to you on your own life journey. Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Natalie Chan! Show Notes: 1:04 Steve’s Intro 5:26 Challenging set structures 14:10 Diversity and New Perspectives 17: 34 Pushing through to achieve your goal 29:40 Overcoming setbacks

Steve’s Intro 5:26 Challenging set structures 14:10 Diversity and New Perspectives 17: 34 Pushing through to achieve your goal 29:40 Overcoming setbacks

Bonus: Burning Man-Everything You Wanted To Know But Were Afraid To Ask

Beyond the Pale is a subversively sincere exploration of God, faith, life and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who finds more fulfillment in the journey than in the destination and doesn't mind coloring outside the lines a bit! Join us each week as we travel on pilgrimage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy says we can afford)