Healers are expected to heal, always. Patients (and their families) have expectations of being healed, always. Expectations. But what if the healer is depleted emotionally, physically, burnt out, incapable of giving what is expected - compassion, as part of the healing. Who heals the healer... and what happens to the patient? On this episode we are joined by Elmarié Du Plessis and Prof. Stoffel Grobler.