Graham talks to explorer and author of Philosophy for Polar Explorers, Erling Kagge about the characteristics needed to become an explorer.

Erling also shares his thoughts on what we're missing by sticking to our screens.

Erling approaches pain -- be it physical or mental -- as a gift, and believes we should use it to our benefit. In a nutshell: "nobody achieved anything by being happy and cozy".

Graham Allcott is the founder of time management training company Think Productive.

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