Graham shares a beer with the chief toaster at social enterprise Toast Ale, to talk empathy, social entrepreneurship, and mindfulness.

Rob and Graham worked together at Read International, a charity Rob founded and Graham would go on to chair.

Now, Rob works to reduce environmental waste by brewing beer made from the bread bakeries night otherwise throw away the following day. [

Graham Allcott is the founder of time management trainingcompany Think Productive.

If you want to sample a few cans of Toast Ale, use the coupon code `IKNOWROB` when at the Toast Ale shop.

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