In this episode, Sam talks to Bob Kaye, 2020 Lay Leader of Mary Esther UMC.  Bob also serves as the Lay Member from MEUMC to the Alabama-West Florida Annual Conference. Bob and Kathie are both in the choir and are parenting three teenage grandchildren.  Whew! In a portion of the pod, Bob mentions the path that he took toward becoming a Certified Lay Minister in the United Methodist Church.  Click here to learn more about the CLS/CLM program.