In this episode, recorded live at TSAE’s New Ideas Annual Conference in San Antonio, hosts Steven Stout, FASAE, CAE, and Katy Markert sit down with Pam Donahoo, FASAE, CAE, CEO of USFN - America's Mortgage Banking Attorneys. Drawing from her distinguished career with organizations like American Mensa and USFN, Pam shares lessons on leading through transition, engaging multiple generations, and fostering trust through transparency and patience. She also offers practical advice for emerging association leaders—encouraging them to volunteer, stay curious, and embrace every opportunity to learn how associations truly work.Better by Association is produced by Association Briefings.