<p>Elizabeth Hagan is a pastor and author. She has been a pastor for 15 years and graduated from Duke Divinity School. Never shying away from difficult conversations, she joins Mandy and Rob to talk about her new book, Brave Church.</p>

The Rev. Dr. Karoline Lewis

What matters most to us in times of consequence? Is it wealth? Is it prestige and power? Is it likes or favorites? To me, what I hope to center is that friendship, family, empathy, compassion, quirkiness, humor, and hope will win out even amidst the fray of this transient and turbulent life. My name is Rob Lee, I’m a pastor, public theologian, and author working at the intersection of faith and public life. I want this podcast to be a place where I interview those people who are exemplifying what it means to exist with complete abandon in this life.