<p>For a special edition, Bishop Karen Oliveto, the first openly gay bishop of the UMC speaks to the Rev. Rob Lee about having courage and meeting people where they are. </p>

Beto O'Rourke

What matters most to us in times of consequence? Is it wealth? Is it prestige and power? Is it likes or favorites? To me, what I hope to center is that friendship, family, empathy, compassion, quirkiness, humor, and hope will win out even amidst the fray of this transient and turbulent life. My name is Rob Lee, I’m a pastor, public theologian, and author working at the intersection of faith and public life. I want this podcast to be a place where I interview those people who are exemplifying what it means to exist with complete abandon in this life.