"I'm really interested in this idea in spiritual education. And we don't we say it, but we don't really engage with it in schools. And when I have talked about it, people get a little bit kind of itchy."

In this distilled episode, Angie talks to Rebecca Leek about how her faith as a Quaker informs her teaching, and why schools in Britain don't engage well with faith.

Rebecca Leek is an experienced strategic leader who has worked across a wide range of settings and organisations. She has been a headteacher, executive headteacher, chief executive, a teacher and a Senco. She is a systems thinker, an innovator, and has been described as 'a harbinger of light'. She is increasingly in demand as a speaker, trainer and writer and brings with her a wealth of knowledge and insight from her involvement in a number of sectors including the arts, social enterprise, communications, permaculture and education.

Rebecca describes herself as a holistic leader and is interested in systems and cybernetics (governance and management), belonging, and spiritual sustenance within schools. Her practice as a permaculturist informs much of what she does, and in particular the principles of valuing diversity and the marginal.

Find Rebecca on Twitter @RebeccaLeek_

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-rebecca-leek

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.