Host Steve Cus welcomes Lee C. Camp—professor, podcaster, and author—for a rich conversation about anxiety, systems theory, and human flourishing. Lee shares his personal journey with anxiety and depression, and how discovering differentiation through therapy transformed his relationships and emotional health. They explore legalism within the Churches of Christ tradition and its lasting emotional impact. The discussion also touches on societal reactivity, the purpose behind Lee's podcast No Small Endeavor, and the importance of creating hospitable spaces for honest dialogue. Lee closes with reflections on gliding, music, and simple morning rituals as grounding practices.Episode Resources: Malcolm Gladwell’s The Alabama Murders: Part 1: The True Church Steve Cuss’ Managing Leadership Anxiety David Schnarch’s Passionate Marriage David McCullough’s The Wright Brothers Books by Parker J. Palmer Books by Thomas Merton Murray Bowen’s family systems theory More about Differentiation of selfScripture Referenced: Mark More From Lee C. Camp: Lee C. Camp’s Scandalous Witness: A Little Political Manifesto for Christians Books by Lee C. Camp Listen to No Small Endeavor and The Subtext Sign up for Lee C. Camp’s newsletterLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices