Yirinda's Fred Leone and Sam Pankhurst join you today to play live in the RN studio, and explain why they decided scrap a finished album and start again from scratch.Then, Garrmalang creative director Ben Graetz joins you to talk through this year’s festival program. Even though it boasts some big national names, Darwin music arts and culture are at the forefront of the festival. Plus, for Word Up you’ll head to Bourke with Phil Sullivan for some Ngemba.