Some have been referring to as it "the Agile Nirvana". But does the so-called "Spotify Model" even exist?
How can we truly promote change, and empower small, autonomous teams to become high-performing teams?
Can "the invisible" be taught?

A chat between two of our trainers, an in-depth conversation on Agile, Spotify, leadership, pragmatism and what it means to truly challenge the status quo in an organisation.

Joakim Sundén, consultant at Crisp, author of the book Kanban in Action, and former Agile Coach at Spotify.

Claudio Perrone, inventor of PopcornFlow and Agile and Lean consultant.