Donna is off for most of August so Orlando is navigating the ship solo! Orlando welcomed back Jermaine Ruffin from Detroit's Housing and Revitalization Department and "The Streets Are Planning" podcast in lieu of a recent article he penned in Medium aptly titled, "For Those Who Love the Built Environment: Anxiety of a Black Urban Planner. Allen Penniman, urban planner and designer in Detroit's Planning and Development Department joins the conversation as well.