Thanks for listening! Visit http://penfriend.rocks/liz for links to Liz's work with The Beths and collect two free Penfriend songs while you're there.

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In this conversation, we discuss the value of establishing creative rules for songwriting and making videos, touring New Zealand during the pandemic, and Beths' bassist Ben's secret breakfast blog, the success - and shelf life - of an indie band, coping mechanisms for happier touring - why The Beths always take a cricket bat on the road and the ever-expanding skillset of the modern musician.

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This episode was sponsored by a kind member of The Correspondent's Club, who have been powering the making of new music and podcasts since May 2020. Browse free and paid tiers at http://penfriend.rocks/join

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My new single "Exotic Monsters" is available wherever you get music, but the best way to support me directly is to visit http://penfriend.rocks/monsters - and you can watch the brand new video there as well. Hooray!

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Until next week... xoxo

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