<p>Lord David Owen split from the Labour party when he was an MP in 1981 and set up an alternative party called the Social Democratic Party.</p><p>As he told Becky Milligan, over tea and biscuits, he sympathizes with the current MPs agonising over whether or not to leave the Labour Party.</p>

Patrick McLoughlin

Politicians and public figures talk candidly and engagingly over lunch with reporter Becky Milligan. This is the off-the-record lunch, on the record.These interviews are broadcast on Radio 4’s PM programme.