Climate discussions are at a moment of transition, with some countries increasingly calling for greater focus on fossil fuels and less emphasis on emissions, while others remain resistant to this shift. Follow the conversation between Camila Fontana, deputy bureau chief of Argus in Brazil, and editor Lucas Parolin. Some of the topics in this episode:  Previous focus on the role of carbon emissions in global warming COP agreements and implementation bottlenecks Coalition of countries pushing for a transition away from fossil fuels Addressing economic challenges that hinder the transition Trade flows and the export of emissions Incentives for biofuels