Co-founders of the first Thanksgiving, James Pilgromme and Jonathan Turkey drop by the podcast to talk about escaping religious persecution and plagues, landing in Plymouth, rooming together in Brooklyn, organizing a feast, serving a giant bass, stuffing Marla, dancing to hymns, the acoustics of pine cones, traditional food origins, their Thanksgiving play, tapping into the baby literature market, whether it's okay to call it Turkey Day, when pumpkins used to speak, cornucopia, channeling Pilgrim God, the influence of art on history, and what they're thankful for.