On this episode, Phil speaks with Kisha Parker, a psychiatrist and reverend from Indiana. The two discuss psychology and clergy, and how more pastors should have therapists! They also discuss their shared love of shoes.

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AWMTP Episode 9: Ben Johnson

This groundbreaking podcast is the brainchild of the Whiskey Preacher, Phil Shepherd and his producer Josh Mitchell to couple with Phil's up and coming first solo book project. It simply asks the question: Are We Missing the Point? The point of what? The point of life. Phil and Josh explore what it means to not only love others, but how do we love others of different faith beliefs, different colors, different sexual orientation, etc., in light of how we love ourselves. Be sure to check out the latest from Are We Missing the Point Podcast by following us here, on Facebook and on Twitter!