John Romero and Craig Johnston talk about the early days of games on the Apple ][, interview Apple ][ game programmers, and generally cover topics relating to Apple ][ games and history.

On this episode we have part 1 of an interview that John did with Nasir Gebelli who is very well known for great Apple ][ software and games including the hits Space Eggs and Gorgon, which were clones of Moon Cresta and Defender.