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<p>In this episode, Lyra Butler-Denman reflects on her journey through her first self-produced solo production, &#8220;Bardo&#8221;, as we have a conversation about loss, grief, and making one&#8217;s own work.  Lyra Butler-Denman is a Portland, Oregon based dancer, actor, and multidisciplinary artist.  </p>

A conversation with Damon Millican.

"And, Not Or" is a conversational podcast about acting and theatre, actor training, people, and most importantly life, and being a whole human.  "And, Not Or" is created and curated by Jeffrey Puukka, a theatre director and acting teacher living and working in the Pacific Northwest.  If you enjoy the podcast, be sure to click to follow or subscribe, so you’ll automatically see when new episodes arrive.  (And if you can, consider leaving a review at Apple Podcasts/iTunes?  That would be so helpful and kind).  To connect with Jeffrey the host, follow @JeffreyPuukka on Instagram, or visit JeffreyPuukka.com to reach out.