Countries around the world are asking whether it is in their best interest to align 

more closely with China or the United States. Kurt Campbell helped guide US- 

China policy through multiple administrations and was Deputy Secretary of State 

under Joe Biden. He joins Christiane for his first TV interview since leaving 

government. 

Also on today’s show: Director Marcel Mettelsiefen discusses his new 

documentary on the Israel-Palestine conflict, “A State of Rage”; business owners 

Debbie Wei Mullin and Sarah LaFleur on the impact of the Trump tariffs 

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