One of the dilemmas facing President Biden and his allies is how to develop a unified response to China's increasing assertiveness. Former Governor Jerry Brown founded the California China Climate Institute at UC Berkeley. He says it's tricky doing business with Beijing, but worries Washington hawks might be going down a dangerous path of no-return. 

Also on today's show: Kelly Sampson, Director of racial justice at Brady: United Against Gun Violence & former gun industry insider Ryan Busse; historian Evan Thomas 

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