The tense competition between the US and China boiled over in Congress this week in a hearing over social media app TikTok and how it handles data. Members of Congress repeatedly voiced their concerns over the app’s ties to China and its impact on American youth. The Chinese government says US lawmakers who want to ban TikTok are just part of a “xenophobic witch hunt,” while for his part, TikTok CEO Shou Chew defended his company’s autonomy and security. Alex Stamos knows all about global online threats, having worked as Facebook’s chief security officer, and now running a team at Stanford researching all of this. He joins the show to discuss.  

Also on today's show: Mike Chinoy, Author, “Assignment China”; financial journalist William D. Cohan 

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