Janos Marton and I discuss the debate between reform and abolition around the criminal legal system. (Note: This episode was recorded 2 years ago.) Janos Marton is the Chief Advocacy Officer for Dream.Org, an organization committed to closing prison doors and opening doors of opportunity. Janos is a born and raised New Yorker who began his career as an organizer before becoming a civil rights lawyer. Since then he has spent his career fighting for racial justice and taking on corruption - as ...