Treasurers tend to be introverts. They're always being urged to get outside their cubicle and connect with the rest of the organization.

So what happens when the treasurer runs for public office? In this episode, host Ira Apfel talks to David Damschen, CTP, on his successful campaign to become State Treasurer of Utah. Damschen, a long-time AFP member, discusses his unique challenges as a state treasurer, what it's like to campaign, and more.

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