In this longer episode, Hana and Ryan pull back the curtain and chat to a therapist who specialises in working with intercountry, transracial adult adoptees and adoptive families. We get into our feelings and discuss it all - Nancy Verrier’s “primal wound” theory, feeling flawed, birth family search and reunion, attachment, adoptees as parents, and adoptive parenting (we weren’t planning to go there, but we did). Hana says ‘mmm’ a lot, Ryan giggles when they're nervous, and s**t gets real!