In this episode, Dr. Jennifer Cantrell-Sutor speaks with historian Verena Meier about the persecution of Sinti and Roma under Nazi rule and the central role of the criminal police in implementing discriminatory policies, deportations, and genocide.

Drawing on extensive archival research, Meier examines how systems of surveillance, data collection, and racial classification enabled persecution at the local level while granting significant power to individual police officials. The conversation also explores overlooked histories of resistance, the experiences of Sinti and Roma women who challenged Nazi authorities on behalf of their families, and the ethical responsibilities of researchers working with survivor and descendant communities.

Together, they reflect on the enduring importance of studying bureaucracy, persecution, and memory in Holocaust history.