Show notes
Steven and Mark interview Ben Kirby of PreachersNSneakers (6:00). We talk about the uneasy relationship Christians have with luxury (13:30), the allure of fame for Christian leaders (25:00), what any church leader has to confront when their work is successful (43:00) and the temptation to stop actual service and pursue fame. Steven also shares his experience with being a low level celebrity in megachurch world, and discusses Abe’s Wallet as a temptation to grasp at popularity and minor stardom. (35:00) Ben also boggles our brains by dropping more celebrity and fashion names than, frankly, we’ve ever heard.Resources referenced in this episode:Art and the Bible, Francis SchaefferPreacher N Sneakers, Ben KirbyTalk to us on the Abraham’s Wallet volley channelEnroll in our “Draft a Family Vision in 3 hours” course