Today we have a special joint episode with Ember Kelly of The Fourth U Dimension, the official podcast of The Fourth Universalist Society in the City of New York.​ In this wide-ranging discussion, we interview each other on a number of topics from the role of religion in leftist politics to our respective podcasts.   Ember Kelley is the Director of Religious Education at Fourth Universalist Society. Learn more about Fourth Universalist at 4thu.org